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Today on the flagship podcast of spec bumps:
The Verge’s David Pierce, Alex Cranz, and Dan Seifert discuss the announcements from Apple’s “Scary Fast” Mac event.
Becca Farsace joins the show to share her thoughts on smartphone photography in 2023, and if the “Pro” branding can live up to its name.
Adi Robertson answers a question from the Vergecast Hotline.
00:00 — Intro
01:46 — Apple’s “Scary Fast” Mac event with Alex Cranz and Dan Seifert
26:16 — Smartphone photography with Becca Farsace
49:52 — Vergecast Hotline with Adi Robertson
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Apple’s ‘Scary Fast’ Mac event: all the news from Apple’s online keynote:
iPhone 15 Pro Max camera: 1000 photos later, it’s still missing something:
1,000 photos with the Pixel 8 Pro: AI, UI, and Pro stuff:
Xreal’s Air 2 AR glasses ship in November in the US:
The Vergecast Podcast:
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In my region this Apple event was 2am on Tuesday morning when Apple events are usually 7pm, so really really prefer the regular time slots over the new one
The weird Pro and Max configs seem best explained by Snazzy Labs breakdown of the underlying TSMC 4/3nm process and the problems they’ve had with it. That seems to jibe well with Alex’s theory about the time of the event — might be some sort of show of support for TSMC/Taiwan?
Pro can mean anything to sell you on the product.
This is very exciting.
people calling these chips show how old they are 🤦♂️ the processor is one part of these chips. These chips are entire systems thats why they are called SoCs — system on chip
Is Home Office or Home Lab considered as Computer Room 🙂
it doesn’t make sense to compare the base 14″ MBP to the 14″ Pro. If you will remember they actually had a base MBP that this one replaces…the 13″ MPB. So, the 13″ MBP was also the same chip/memory baseline M2…so instead of the old chassis with the base M3, they put it in a new chassis.
So, if you were going to get the base 13″ MBP, now you would get the base 14″ MBP, and you pay a little more for a better screen (and that screen is a huge difference IMO).
Basically they just retired the 13″ MBP chassis, that is the only change, the new chassis is more expensive, so price goes up. I don’t think 13″ MBP with M2 made sense for most people, and I doubt the 14″ does either.
Trust me, if you get Apple Log, you will notice the difference. I upgraded from iPhone 14 Pro Max to 15 Pro Max to get USB‑C and Apple Log. BlackMagic Camera on the action button, 1 click. I only really care about video, so for photography I’m kinda ambivalent.
I also think that if I was going to tinker with settings on a dedicated camera, I will also tinker with stuff on my phone. The difference is that I don’t always have the standalone camera with me.
super weird take, so people using dedicated video cameras don’t put it in lightroom and photoshop or Capture1, etc? I would say that digital photos from a dedicated camera are more processed than an iPhone’s. I would say that this is more of a question about digital images, where all of them are just going to be manipulated.
I also think its funny because this is the first time that the iPhone includes features that are “pro” but may not be “better”. Like recording to external drives, using Apple Log (which requires color grading)…is that “better” for most people? I think most people would say “I don’t want to have to use my computer to make my video look correct” and “I don’t want to carry around an ssd with me”. Do most people transfer files with a cable? Does USB 3.2 mean anything to them? How does that make their day to day experience better? I would say that there are many cameras that don’t include a Log Color Profile, but if you get a more professional camera, you could expect that feature. So, I completely disagree with the idea (at least in this case) that Pro means Better. I think in this case, Pro actually means Pro.
Who would want to do post-production work with footage and carry around SSD’s? Someone who was planning on using this for some sort of content creation. They appreciate being able to hook up an external mic, or plug a drive into their laptop to start editing. So this is the first time that I see the Pro model actually including features that could be useful for professionals.
I don’t think Apple could have or would have wanted to film their event using the iPhone if every professional they brought in would be like, “wow, this is such a pain to use”. The biggest takeaway from that experiment was that the overall production was remarkably similar to any other production. It didn’t seem weird. So from that perspective, I think this was a huge leap forward into “does the iPhone potentially replace other cameras?” It literally just did that, in a professional setting. I know it is somewhat of a gimmick, but they literally did replace Arri’s or Venice’s with an iPhone, and if they hadn’t have said anything, I honestly don’t think people would have noticed. I wish they had waited a week, and seen if anyone had tweeted anything about it.
Lastly, Apple has been very clear about their stance on advanced interfaces…
Jon McCormack, Vice President of Camera Software Engineering said
“Apple wants to keep an uncluttered experience and will rely on app developers in order to give power users more. McCormack points to this as the fine line that Apple is looking to walk: give the features but leave it to developers to service those who want to push the hardware and software to its max.”
They kind of backed this point up by using BlackMagic Camera app on their own production, and they mentioned how they had worked behind the scenes closely with BlackMagic on that. So if you are looking for the “pro” camera interface…that is as close as Apple is going to give.
It also seems that Becca just really loves nostalgia and the feeling of cameras. which is fine, but that is not really a good review I guess, because people’s experience and feelings towards different cameras will be very different. I mean, a lot of people look at standalone digital cameras like “they will never replace the feeling of shooting on film”, and that is true. It’s not what most people compare in regards to features…
Omg you guys are a bore fest 😅